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The Concepts
Our Concept ideas for hull, and what people think of them.
Heritage Dock
We produced this design in 1996 showing how St Andrew’s dock could look if it was restored to its original water-filled condition
The redevelopment of the old St Andrew’s Dock is a very major concept to plan - and to get right. It is clear from the outset that simply installing yet another retail park would be a completely wasted opportunity here. Of course, retail stores can and do create jobs and can yield good returns in business rates - but at what cost in this case?
Creating a themed Heritage Dock would secure and compliment the surrounding businesses, allowing more customers to shop and take in the surroundings. It would give the opportunity to take full advantage of attracting European visitors arriving on Hull’s two major North Sea ferry routes.
ST ANDREW'S DOCK HISTORICAL BACKGROUND
St Andrew's Dock Hull
The fishing industry in Hull has played a major part in the economy and defence of this country since the mid 19th Century and through two World Wars. Even during the Falklands Conflict in 1982, Hull’s last remaining trawlers were used for mine sweeping duties.
St Andrew’s Dock first opened in 1883. Originally intended to be a coal dock, it was almost immediately turned over to the exclusive use of the fishing industry.
By 1895 the fishing industry had become so busy that an extension to the dock was built, opening in 1897. By 1889, Hull trawlers were already fishing off the coast of Iceland in very large numbers.
Three trawlers undergoing repairs on the slipway at the Western end of St. Andrew’s Dock
The whole dock area was unique because all the main activities concerned with the upkeep and maintenance of a large fishing fleet took place on and around the St Andrew’s Dock estate.
The dock had its own ice plant, a maintenance slipway, several banks, shops and cafes. It even had a post office, a doctor’s surgery and a police station, complete with prison cells.
An economic survey in 1954 stated that for every fisherman working at sea there were up to three people working ashore in jobs associated with the fishing industry. This was almost 50,000 shore workers; about 20% of Hull’s entire population at that time.
Unloading the Catch from Trawlers; the Backbone of Hull’s Industrial Life
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Life and work on St Andrew’s Dock was very hard, with long hours at low rates of pay in poor working conditions. |
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A different kettle of fish!
Old wooden fish tubs – kettles by the dock workers |
Later, newer metal versions of the kettles in aluminium |
The brisk business of buying and selling a trawler’s catch. As soon as a ship had offloaded it’s catch, the crew would be getting ready to set sail again for another trip.
A trawler’s crew usually had less than 60 hours in port before heading back out to sea. Forced together at sea for long periods - often facing hostile and sometimes life threatening conditions - strong friendships developed among the crewmembers. When working as a team in the confined space of a 'sidewinder' trawler for 3 weeks at a time there was no room for disagreements or arguments of any kind.
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Many young lads - some as young as 15 years of age - went to sea. They grew up very quickly when faced with the dangers of deep-sea fishing. As many use to say, "Went away as a boy and returned as a man!" |
Many Hull fishermen and their families lived in the Hessle Road area of Hull. The social clubs and bars were always busy there. Even when the crew’s time was very short between trips, there was not a moment lost in having a good time and spending all their money.
With the shore leave up and with one day and one night spent at home it’s back off to sea again. Goodbyes were usually said at home; it was considered very bad luck for family - and in particular, women - to be seen anywhere near the fish dock.
When crews left the dock for sea aboard their vessels, it was normally just shipmates and work colleagues that saw them off; not family.
Many people came to see the fishing vessels leave St Andrew’s Dock bound for another fishing voyage. In this picture the spectators are all men; women were traditionally not allowed on the dockside.
Trawlers which were built at the small shipyards in nearby Beverley were sailed down the River Hull to the Humber and Princess Docks in Hull. Here they were fitted out with their engines, winches and ancilliary equipment. The completed vessels were then handed over to the trawler owner before going on to St Andrew's Dock. This was often a perfect opportunity for a family photograph.
Family photographs like this were never taken on the St Andrew’s Fish Dock because the presence of a woman on the fish dock was considered to be very bad luck.
Once at sea and on route to the fishing grounds, crew spent their time relaxing, repairing nets and completing maintenance jobs before the serious fishing began.
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PAUL STREETON
18/02/2021
GOOD LUCK.
Gary Challis
26/01/2020
I really hope that this goes ahead...fantastic concept!
Gary Challis
27/12/2019
Superb concept to restore for what has been allowed to deteriorate into an eyesore... thumbs up from me!
Daniel Murray
17/05/2019
This betrayal of the great sacrifice that these men gave, really upsets me. The Hull City council should face up to its responsibilities and give us, what we all know should happen, thats the renovation of these historic buildings and dock, to preserve all this for future generations.
Donna Jacklin
09/01/2019
Looks great, regards quality of design and materials, but sensitive to the history of the area. That invites all generations, but has the ability to sustain businesses of all types from museums, elite shopping to a working mariner, as good as the ones you see abroad but better!!.... Need to provide good clean quality transport links to and from this dock from a maglev to mini tourist train for all, don't sell out and let the brewery industry take over and the usual suspects take over!! A design as good as the Deep...... you can't go wrong!
David Oliver
22/08/2018
A sensible proposition for what remains of the dock and presumably a fitting location for the Arctic Corsair
Mrs M Tomlinson
07/02/2018
It's about time our losted trawler men got reconized for all they did in hull it's our history we owe it to there memory and their families to be remembered the bravest men please let it happen It would bring more visitors to hull
Dave Parr
06/02/2018
So much better than the wasteland there now, and a fitting tribute.
Philip Salter
05/02/2018
Just watched 'Hull's Headscarf Heroes' and this concept would be a fitting memorial to the fisherman lost at sea.
Ian McNee
31/01/2018
Great idea. Hope something like this comes to fruition.
Danny Murray
31/01/2018
My own father sailed from this DOCK as "spare hand " on many Hull Trawlers. He has unfortunately died, but was always in favour of a scheme such as this. We owe it to the memory of men like my father and for all the lads that were lost at sea, to build something in there memory. Please God it gets the backing it needs.
Mark Vesey
08/10/2017
I was shocked to see the state of the Fish dock in this year of city of culture. The place has such potential to celebrate the history of the fishing and be a modern site with housing etc. Please get on with it while we can still get EU funding!
Kate
24/09/2017
I am a newly qualified primary school teacher in Hull and I am very eager to teach my children about the history of the fishing industry of Hull. I wonder if anybody has any artefacts/objects that may aid my teaching, or know where I may be able to find some. I think it is important that the children are excited to learn about their history. Even a fisherman that would be willing to talk to the class? Any information would be greatly appreciated!
Bill Oldroyd
24/09/2017
We walked along the Trans-Pennine Trail from Brough to Hull this week. It was with dismay we came across the rather frightening dereliction surrounding the entrance to St Andrew's lock. It's such a shame this area is not sensitively preserved as a memorial to Hull's fishing fleet. The area is obviously important to many people as evidenced by the flowers and memorials to parents and relatives.
Terri Roberts
30/07/2017
Something needs ta be done ta save our heritage, our dads grandads gave ther lifes for job they loved... fishermen..
Jennifer Gallagher
27/07/2017
It would be wonderful to preserve some of the history of Hull's fishing industry
Tony Field.
27/07/2017
What a fantastic idea,of course this should have been done years ago,but it's never to late. you have to give credit to the lads who have kept this dream alive,because without their faith and dedication we would have nothing to remember the many men who lost their lives bringing food to our tables. These docks should never have been filled in , in the first place. In my opinion they(which ever council was representing this City) wanted to sweep anything regarding our fishing industry under the carpet,otherwise like Liverpool they would have had the foresight to keep our docks open and utilised them.water is a great attraction to all,as we all know. So yes let's hope our representatives in the council wake up and rectify their ignorance.like I say,this is only my opinion.
Ted Doherty
27/07/2017
And why the hell not do it,it can work out really well with a little effort and a lot of lottery money,how many ppl off Hessle Road like ballet,yet they got £200 million for that to happen tickets at £200 each,bet you couldn't get a bus load together from Hull to pay £200 each to see a ballet,but this project would suite us old ins OAPs all schools,ppl from far and wide would come to see it,so come on you Hull City Council help,tax man you took billions in taxes of Hessle road,brewery also took masses of money from Fishermen,so let's get this project going and as a x building trade man I offer my series's for free and I know a lot like me
June Nicholls
27/07/2017
This is the sort of plans the town need, no more shops they can't be filled most of the time. This will bring in tourists and will be a big boost for the people of Hull.
Malcolm Mortimer
26/07/2017
This is a brilliant idea and very much better than buying a navy warship or building a complex of maritime interest around a dry dock. Our history of Hull fishing should be brought home in St Andrews dock.
Mandy Russell
26/07/2017
This could happen , what a legacy to future generations from the men who made this city great
Russ McLean
26/07/2017
This would be wonderful for the City. Would be one of the best (if not the best) tourist attraction in the North of England. Surely anyone with any foresight at all would see what this site could become. Surely Hull City Councillors would not be stupid enough let this opportunity pass them by, by allowing Lord Line Building to be demolished. What a golden opportunity this would be for the city and it would certainly put Hull firmly back on the map to become one of the top tourist attractions in Europe. We owe this to the brave trawlermen who never returned home. Please don't let this opportunity go.
Barrie Baxter
26/07/2017
love it
Moyra Hardy
26/07/2017
Absolutely brilliant idea, our Fishing Heritage has been sidelined far too long. This idea must be implemented as soon as possible. I worked on the Dock many moons ago at Belfast Ropework Company. What a wonderful place and atmosphere there was about the place. Always busy.
Shirley Larsen
26/07/2017
Love this idea. Bring the dock back to life
Keith Holderness
26/07/2017
Such a pity this scheme could not have been completed in time for City of Culture. Nevertheless I do hope that it will be a reality in the future.
Mel Ward
26/07/2017
This would have been a heart warming and fitting tribute to all the brave souls that sailed out of Hull, some never to return. It encompasses what the industry was about, but sadly the buildings are in disrepair and the cost would be prohibitive for anyone to undertake such a project, but we can all dream.
Christopher Coles
26/07/2017
Would love to see a development like this on that site.
Peter Lyons
22/07/2017
Hope that this can happen
Jacqueline Cansdale
02/05/2017
I walked around this site over the weekend and was saddened by the waste of such great potential to develop and make use of what is a huge part of the city's heritage. I love the idea of it being developed into a maritime area of historical interest combined with commercial business. It is a shame it has been left this long. It would have been a real asset to the City of Culture.
I Mick Waud
09/04/2017
This should have been sorted years ago if thy had it probably would have cost less then as now there going to say it's not cost affected but hey ho let's see iwhats the time scale and Lord line building are thy going to agree with this thy blocked everything else ., hope I live long enough to see this 🙏🙏👍🙄
Stephen Harrison
09/04/2017
Should have been done years ago, and get the Arctic Corsair in here as well, where it belongs. I really hope this becomes reality.
Angie Norrie
09/04/2017
Wonderful idea keeping the fishing heritage alive.
Ben
27/03/2017
Should develop it with some focus on also creating a botanical garden like in Singapore with the man made 'Super Trees'.
Everyone would pass it on coming into the city by road, rail or ship then (if they ever actually build that cruise terminal on Alexandra dock!).
Would be good access to it too for visitors coming off Clive Sully - save the congestion in the city centre.
The Singaporean botanical gardens attract five million visitors a year.
Show that Hull is also looking forward then as well as back
Mike Hepworth
17/01/2017
This a great concept, our local history should never be forgotten and what a truly fabulous way of showing what Hull was once all about.Time moves on but our past should always be remembered.
Andrew J Boulton
04/01/2017
Pleased to see a proposal. However, other than the retention of the iconic Lord Line building - and of course the dock itself - the rest is possibly a bit "too modern". It would be better if it paid a little more
recognition of the original key-side building architecture . . . including the small, numerous, fish merchants' "stands" (offices).
William Coggle
10/11/2016
This should have happened 20 years ago fantastic idea get this project going can you imagine the drive into Hull instead of seeing waste land
Jason Addison
26/10/2016
Fabtastic concept. Must be done!
Geoff Hewitt
25/10/2016
Brilliant idea preserving heritage and, importantly, helping to build a forward thinking and confident city.
Christina Abbott
12/06/2016
Super idea. may help me trace my great grandmother Dr Moss who worked in the docks helping poorer families. She was one of the women doctors who were barred from practising due to gender. She worked late 1800's through WW1. Any help appreciated. Tina Abbott granddaughter of Harold Moss, merchant seaman WW2 Atlantic convoys.
David Horner FRPS DPAGB Churchill Fellow
20/05/2016
As a photographer who used to photograph the area with the aid of a dock visitors pass it is sad to see the passing of the Fish Dock as I remember it in the late 1960's.
Perhaps the new concept will help Hull to regain some of it's character.
Claire Cruickshank
07/03/2016
Hulk docks heritage should be preserved.
AJ
04/03/2016
What an opportunity to really make history come alive for many people native to hull such as myself the fishing industry was not in my living memory I would really love to see our city do something like this instead of leaving the site derelict. Agree wholeheartedly with previous comments. What can we do to ensure this becomes reality
Mr S Cambers
06/02/2016
Brilliant! come Hull go for It !!!
Mike Holdstock
07/01/2016
Wonderful concept, the very least our great fishing industry deserves.
David A. Murden
07/01/2016
As a Hull East lad I have been concerned for many years about Hull losing its many precious examples of a Heritage that if it was anywhere else in UK would have resources poured into it NOW. The film brought me to tears of both pride and anger that this site should be left derelict. My friend was lost on his first trawler voyage. I drove a lorry onto the Dock supplying "soft" drinks! I work now trying to open old trading Routes back into Hull and Humber. I still visit the Hull Shipping Office building in Takoradi, Ghana. I would do anything at all to help realize this wonderful concept.
Elaine Matthews
04/01/2016
I'm embarrassed to say I'v only seen part of this before and did share it on facebook at the time, I don't think there was an opportunity to give comments then .This is absolutely fantastic but makes me wonder how long do plans like this become reality? I know the biggest obstacle is money but what can any of us (without financial resources) do to help?
Rob Bell
03/01/2016
Today I walked around St Andrews "whatever-you-can-describe-it-as- these-days". What a mess...
This concept is inspirational... It goes beyond remembrance and starts to do what has been done well elsewhere. I am minded of Bremerhaven. They have an Emigration Museum there. This is not just about the past. These days they advise on issues such as the Syrian refugee crisis... Other ports have built from their maritime heritage - not to build a better yesterday; more to shape a viable future...
Is there anything that The History Troupe can do? Can we do a performance to raise money? Support in other ways?
www.facebook.com/thehistorytroupe
Many thanks for this site
Regards,
Rob Bell
Jamie
01/01/2016
Needs to happen
Tony Hopper
22/12/2015
A wonderful idea
Bob Medd
15/12/2015
A wonderful idea from people with a can do attitude. I wish you all the success in the world.
Alison E Bateman
11/12/2015
It's about time that something was done to rejuvenate this area. I think this would be a fitting tribute to all the people who worked in, out and around this dock. It would provide a lasting legacy to the people of Hull and the East Riding of Yorkshire.
Steve Wright
07/11/2015
As a former pupil of Hull's Boulevard Nautical School I lodged in West Gove Gypsyville. I lived in admiration of Hull's trawler men. Great seamen who served their country in war and peace. A deserved tribute is long overdue, thanks for the memories.
Ian Wolstencroft
17/09/2015
I HOPE this becomes reality , its superb , The Last Trip / Memorial
" Brilliant " The Heritage Dock well , This would become a massive
Tourist Attraction , Will look Brilliant too , Lord Line Building restored
to its former glory , Filled in dock as it used to be , Full of trawlers &
ships , Recreate the 1960s Fish Dock with Artic Corsair !! Magic.
want to be part of this , Good Luck .
Steve Thurston
13/09/2015
Thanks to the people that's making it happen ,I hope they incorporate the Arctic corsair in there project and make the lord line building in to a museum and hotel, ITS going to be a grate memorial for our fathers,
Ronie Regan
04/09/2015
its a shame the people of our city have had to wait all this time for a memorial to our lost fishermen husbands,fathers , brothers ,friends . At last our men will be remembered and honoured by this wonderful concept . i am proud to have been shipmates and friends with the gallant men that are no longer with us
George W Brown
25/08/2015
i would love to see a transformation like this.This our dream i would love to think it will be like this But i am afraid this manor property fella only see £in his sights Lets all pray for a miricle they do happen you know.tara.george
Andy Harrison
19/08/2015
Brilliant idea get the viola there as well would make a good history centre of hull fishing industry.it would smarten up the entrance of hull from Clive Sullivan way.
Ken Shakesby
08/08/2015
It really is about time people stopped talking and got our fishing industry's priorities right.All our fathers and their father's before them deserve something to tell the other industries what Hull was all about.Ex Trawler Skipper
Jean Shakesby
08/08/2015
My dear dad was lost at sea Stan hawker in 1963 and it would be a wonderful tribute to him and every other fishermen in hull
Win Wray
07/08/2015
what a brilliant tribute to all of Hull`s Fishermen we are right behind your idea
Mick Wedgner
18/07/2015
Any concept that recognizes St Andrews Dock as we knew/know it. is would be a tribute in memory of our lost 6000 men,and due respect to their families. also the dedication to us remaining fishermen of which there are not many left, ours and members of the Hull community unrelenting passion ideas efforts to honour our work place.
Dave Smith
09/07/2015
my mother lost her farther loch ard her ashes went from st Andrews dock this will be a fitting concept for the people of hull and the 6,000 good men lost from our port love to see this happen and become a reality.
Christine Green
08/07/2015
What a wonderful tribute to all of the fishermen of Hull and there families , It is a fitting memorial to the heritage of St Andrews Dock and the people of Hull, let's hope it happens HBHG, thanks to you all for your hard work in making this a vision for the future.
Phil Mason
28/06/2015
This is exactly what we need and have needed for too long! Wonderful vision and a fantastic reminder of how and who built this brilliant City. It would be a fitting testament to all those brave Hullensiens who risked and sadly died to provide for so many. How and why can other major cities and ports deliver their own iconic developments to reflect their proud history and we cannot? Good luck to the team in their efforts to promote and produce this exciting project - lets make it happen! You have my support all the way. Best wishes.
Glen Rollinson
28/06/2015
Great vision, but it needs to get started, visitors to Hull shouldn't have to be greeted with a derelict waste ground when driving down Clive Sullivan way, something that still reminds you that Hull was a major port to Europe along with something new is what we need, too much talk and plans, lets see some action.
Barry Fleetwood
19/06/2015
Extremely uplifting. It speaks if vision and will - something we should have seen years ago, but if it comes off it will be truly inspiring. I wish all those behind it my best wishes.
Geoff Hewitt
19/06/2015
This is a brilliant idea. Let's hope that people see the enormous value of the scheme in helping to revitalise Hull. How can I help?
Gary Farr
19/06/2015
Finally someone with a great idea I hope it gets approval well done
Just what hull needs
Jackie Wright
13/06/2015
This is just what Hull needs. It will bring visitors and money into the town and will celebrate its history. I can see it being a great resource for schools and local history groups too. Please not another drab retails park; the city is overloaded with shops and many areas are struggling to survive. If Liverpool and Bristol can do it -why can't Hull!
Ian Davidson
21/05/2015
Something needs to be done! Walked along the riverside path to Hull from the Humber Bridge for the first time and was amazed by both the potential and the dereliction. Coming across what I now know to be bullnose I was really moved by the flowers etc and that it was obviously a site people visited. This really needs to be recognised.
I then walked probably the worst footpaths I've ever been on in many years of walking to get into the city. It was full of litter, between chain link fences, really harsh.
I used to work in the building with a gang of ex-trawlermen from Hessle Road in the 1980s so always felt an association with the area, and now find myself spending time round here. It was all they talked about, that and being at sea. They took me out on the town in Hessle Road more than once in the 1980s. Don't remember much!
Karl Humphrey
17/05/2015
Great concept. We need to promote Hull and tidying up the view for visitors from the A63 has got to happen. The concept is a great idea and maintains that important link to our heritage and could provide employment too. I myself have a personal interest as I sailed out of St Andrews dock with my father for two trips in the St Leger in 1967.
Bill Hilton
05/05/2015
all my family and relatives went on the trawlers but now all are gone.
this would be a fitting memory to all those who are no longer with use but live on in our hearts.
The industry has gone, the people have gone but as I young boy in those days the memories remain
Walla Longden
28/04/2015
I visit the outer bullnose at lease twice a week looking outbound and think deeply of many lost friends and shipmates, then I turn around and look at the shear devastation due to a complete, not only of neglect but also a lack of respect to this once proud fishing industry which the City of Hull was built upon, and also the same lack of respect to all those lost soles who sailed through these lock gates never to return. I then close my eyes and envisage a suitable memorial in their memory. This fantastic concept has opened my eyes to my daydreams of what could and should be not only a fitting memorial but also a lasting legacy of this once proud industry and all those who were involved. Thank you for submitting such a wonderful concept which hopefully can be achieved and to which I fully support
Syd Young
25/04/2015
Really like the look of this. Something needs to be done with this important piece of our heritage and there has to be a permanent memorial to all those who lost their lives doing what was one of the most demanding jobs ever. The old dock and buildings and Arctic Corsair moored here are essential elements as they are virtually all we have left of this once huge industry. Make it happen!
Linda Johnson
25/04/2015
Bristol, Liverpool and Gloucester have all capitalised on their sea-faring heritage by developing unused docks into information and entertainment spaces with a mix of museums, cafe/bars and other entertainment offerings. At the moment St Andrews Dock is an eye-sore yet walking along the River Humber from the Bridge down to Victoria Dock and beyond could be a destination, especially as it could connect with the Wolds Way at one end and lead all the way to Spurn at the other.
Jo Atkinson
25/04/2015
We need this to happen, what a great first impression of Hull this would be, instead of the view from the A63 as it is now.
Debi KEABLE
25/04/2015
Looks fantastic! Wish the powers that be would get a move on and sort it. I drive past daily and it breaks my heart.
Andy Acum
24/04/2015
Excellent idea - addresses the issues of regeneration and a fishing memorial. Unfortunately, no mention of how it will be funded.
Paul Southwell
24/04/2015
fantastic for hull,and for all the fishermen.that lived and work on the trawlers.
Phillip Woolhouse
24/04/2015
It is just a wonderful concept and it would be such a fantastic sight to see. It really would be a fitting tribute to hull, the industry and the men who gave there lives for it and to it. There would be no need to try and raise a few pounds to build a monument (disgraceful Hull City council you should be ashamed)
If only we had a forward thinking council with some real zeal about them it could be done and the money could be found. However I fear as always it will never happen with a labour council such as Hull has. The fishing industry has be confined to the past by them, not interested.
John Leonard
24/04/2015
Brilliant idea, my father spent a huge amount of time on trawlers both pre & post WW11. He and thousands of other deserve a lasting tribute for the prosperity they brought to the city. The fishing industry died without a whisper in Hull, let's not allow the memory of the men who served on those ships to go the same way.
Linda Holden
24/04/2015
Fantastic would love to see this a reminder of all those who went to sea and all those who never came back
DAVID TAYLOR
24/04/2015
wow.....go for it a fantastic concept!
I am an ex-Hull Deep Sea Fisherman and was born on Hessle Road!
Every blessing!
REV. DAVID TAYLOR
FOUNDER & CEO/COLOMBIA CHILDCARE & OASIS OF HOPE CHARITY
www.cccuk.org
www.colombiachildcare.org (USA)
Paul Mitchell
24/04/2015
great concept, wish it would happen
Barry Cunningham
24/04/2015
Looks fabulous, get on with it, it's stood as a wreck for long enough
Karen Raine
24/04/2015
This would be a fantastic way to preserve what is left of the fish dock area breathing life back into it and highlighting the History of this Port .It would also pay respect and tribute to the men who have sailed from the Port of Hull never to return .
Annette Redfearn
21/03/2015
My husband and I think this is excellent. It shows how St. Andrew's derelict Dock could be made into a really wonderful and popular attraction. The people of Hull would be so proud of it!
Ted Doherty
20/03/2015
Now we are talking and those are the views of Fishermen,can anyone see the difference between what stand want and what fishermen want, as it said in the post before the fishermen was home a max of 60 hrs ( I don't often remember my father being home more than 48 hrs in every three weeks so a trawler and fish dock was there home first sight they wanted to see Bullnose last sight they saw as they left bullnose.Would I ask a fisherman to teach English maths or RI no I would get a Teacher,so why in all that sacred are teachers getting the go ahead by HCC put up statue that fishermen HATE rest my case
Ray Coles
18/03/2015
The Public should be given the chance to have a say about our Heritage and not to let it rot any longer.
Jerr Thompson
17/03/2015
this concept should have been the one for our lost men of our port, what a privilege it would be to have this in place the fishing community should of had a say into this fantastic concept
Abi
16/03/2015
This is amazing! Would love this to happen!!!
Paul Rusling
13/03/2015
This is excellent, why hasn't it been proposed many years ago? It gets my vote, but please make sure there is car parking nearby, easy access for the elderly & disabled, and some decent food and drink, to make sure the idea flies. Good luck with it.
Tony Hagger
13/03/2015
Would like to see a visitor centre dedicated to the fishing industry as part of this concept.
Jean Jensen
13/03/2015
The ideas are great. Primarily it is the retention, restoration and preservation of the Lord Line building and the Dock itself that is key to the development site. It is this building that lends a historical importance to Hulls fishing heritage.
The use of the building is not indicated or referenced in the text. I would like to see a respectful use of the building. One which pays homage to the working men and seamen of this city.
Really not sure about the Interfaith freedom peace centre-do not understand this concept for the bull nose building.
The other buildings could be seen anywhere else in the uk. But the LL building is unique to this town.
Moorings/berths for old trawlers, ships that have connection with the city would make this development a viable modern venue that draws visitors to the area. Make Hull proud!
Bob Brewer
11/03/2015
As a committee member of the Action for Hull Group on Facebook, if this proposal gets the go-ahead then that will be fantastic news for Hull. We as a group have been campaigning for a while now for the preservation and restoration of the Lord Line building and this proposal would more than satisfy that campaign.
Marilyn Leeson-Kay
05/03/2015
This would be fantastic for Hull, if only it comes to fruition. I really, really hope so as this is area is so desperate for rejuvenation and a little bit of TLC.
Julie Bonifacino
05/03/2015
When will the work begin? This is absolutely wonderful. A true and fitting memorial for our fishermen and their families. It needs to be completed sooner rather than later.
Linda Powdrell
27/02/2015
It would look great. Hope it happens! My father and all fishermen lost at sea deserve something special for feeding the people of hull and risking there lives.
Mick Lindstrom
08/12/2014
It would be great if the Hull City Council and a developer get together and provide a scheme on these lines to make use of the Dock area which was once the main lifeline of this city
Ken Dayes
24/11/2014
I served my apprenticeship on the dock, at a company called Boyd Line, which at one period was part of the Lord Line Group. The concept is absolutely outstanding I think you guys have captured the past and enhanced the future with such sincerity, and aspiration. I only wish we could all make it happen.
Well Done
Regards
Ken Dayes
Steven Foster
03/11/2014
I believe this would be the perfect solution for the lost souls,their families,and freinds and hessle road and hull, but it wont happen will it ?
Billy Worrall
02/11/2014
i would love to see it in my lifetime. but if not, it would be there for generations to come. so the history of the trawling industry will never die.
Gill Andrews
01/11/2014
What a superb idea to develop this important site. It's a shame it has been left for so long and anything that will get the fantastic Lord Line Building saved is worth my vote. The fishing industry has so much for Hull to be proud of and this would be a very worthy homage to that. The concept and recognition that we do not need yet another retail site shows long term thinking and understanding. Please get this completed before 2017 and do our city proud. Great and thank you
Julie Bentley
01/11/2014
Hull really needs something like this. What a fantastic idea. The Deep is a very popular place for people to visit, so we need to tap in on the interest in the area. At the moment that particular area is completely underused and an eyesore. I think we need a different entrance and exit road which inter connects with At Andrews shopping centre, the present road structure gets very congested. Go for it and good luck.
Ian Clarkson
01/11/2014
How much would this improve the gateway into hull..it is a shame when entering our city at the moment there is so much waste land either side of the A63
Christine Henderson-Begg
01/11/2014
Would be wonderful to see a living museum on St Andrews Dock - telling the history and also looking forward. I think it could also include a pthr sculpture ehich was never built of the woman and children looking out to see.
This would be a wonderful addition to Hull's riverside
Derek Wade
01/11/2014
Looks fantastic: how would it link up to other tourist destinations in Hull? wouldn't want it to sit in isolation. Recently visited Halifax (Nova Scotia) similar theme on their waterfront. Look forward to seeing this progress:
Lynne Mclane
31/10/2014
Bring the docks to life can only be a good thing, but something should be built to remember the times gone by. Never forget the original Hull docks were many men lost their lives working in this dangerous occupation.
Sue
31/10/2014
Back this 100%. Brilliant
Howard Wilson
31/10/2014
This looks great, lets make it happen.
Andrew Laud
31/10/2014
It looks excellent it would look great as you head into hull
Wendy
11/09/2014
I think the new plan to open up the dock again looks fantastic :) I would maybe suggest more greenery and commissioned artwork / sculpture. The "Reflection Garden" doesn't look much like a garden on the map. And the whole place looks a bit sterile with all that flat grey concrete. Also, I think it would be nice to incorporate cycle lanes and parking areas for easy access by cyclists; encouraging people to keep fit and leave the car at home. I moved back down Hessle Road a couple of years ago and know what the dock means to people in this area. I last went for a look last week and almost anything would be an improvement on how it is now. I think the banners showing photos of the fisherman are a nice touch. And I agree a heritage centre and updating the memorial is essential. It's so sad to see the tiny memorial where families still leave flowers. I can't imagine having to watch the place fall down around me as I went to do that. It must be heartbreaking. Let's get this project off the ground!
Phil Clark
10/09/2014
It's possibly too late already given the state of what is left, but I've always felt that some of the old buildings around the dock could have been preserved in the same manner as the Black Country museum, only with a nautical/fishing theme. As the article says, the area was once a self-contained little community with banks and chandlers etc, which always fascinated me. Some suitable preserved buildings together with ships in the docks could make a really unique maritime heritage centre.
Donald Dixon
03/09/2014
Please make this happen.
Michelle
24/08/2014
Hull is and always was more than 'fish'. Lives were lost, found and remodelled here. Fashions started, supported and developed here. The port town is always a mix of things. The docks brought money and commerce, through the railways, the warehouses because of the massive amount of shipping potential. Retail is not the be all and end all. You can go anywhere, anytown and buy from the same high street stores. Let's have something different. Heritage Dock could be the window to reveal that not just to those that live in the Town but as a major tourist attraction to those outside it and help those that move into the city understand it. Break the mould, think beyond the short term. Create something that is built upon what was for what may yet be.
Stephen Bunby
02/08/2014
for all the brave men that risked there lives ,myself included to bring fish to the table best bunch of men I have ever worked with and think they deserve a site like this to keep there memories alive and to teach the youngsters what a tough life it was I hope it comes into fruition
Emma Harris
10/06/2014
This looks so good and more appealing than it does now why not turn the old factory's into fishing museums a place more modern than the museums in town it makes more sense to have it there near the shores which once had men and young boys fishing there a good feel of what it was like as my husbands grandfather was a fisherman and his family pay tribute to him and some other family members at bulls nose it is a special place for the fishing family's it's a great idea to revamp this area it shouldn't be left to rot and crumble as this was once our hertigde and peoples life's where built around here I hope this goes ahead
Andrew Hibbert
10/06/2014
This is the best option I've seen for the dock, it's incredibly over due.
Tony Metcalfe
27/05/2014
Brilliant concept needs doing now its been left for to long.
Andrew Elton
18/02/2014
I regularly walk through this location on the riverside path. It beggars belief that such a prominent location has been allowed to descend into such a pitiful state of repair. This plan would not only compliment the retail park and restaurants nearby , it would compliment and energise the entire city. Please do it.
Roland Featherstone
06/01/2014
This prime site has been crying out for development for years . Just do it !
Phill Groizard
27/12/2013
Lets get started !!!
M Clark
23/12/2013
just do it all my family went to sea the bartles and robsons I went down dock with my granddad on horse and cart with the fishermens kit it is respect for hulls fishing industry and fleets and MEN
John Drake
08/12/2013
get this project in motion now
Kevin G
04/12/2013
This is a great concept and vision and wish it could be realised . I cannot see where the funding would come from. The buildings around are falling into a very poor condition and look like they'll get a lot worse yet . But as a concept absolutely wonderful and what a great site as you drove into the city .
Dave Mckee
03/12/2013
I feel that we missed out, GY had the best idea and it worked we are to slow on the uptake now we have an I sore of a dock estate .I worked on the fish dock from 1959 to 1974 started as a barrow lad and ended up as a buyer, life was hard but I enjoyed it lots of long hours in the cold
Keith Gordon
24/11/2013
I do hope and wish this could happen, my dad was chief engineer and spent his whole life on the trawlers. I in turn served an electrical apprenticeship, wit Hellyer/British United trawlers, quality the like will not be seen again. Unfortunately with the demise of the fishing industry due to politics, if this concept were to happen it would give Hull back the identity it has lost. This country will always eat fish and the concept would be a reminder
John Percival
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Fabulous idea, I have been saying this myself for years but did not know anyone was actually working on it. I had wrote to Alic Gill about this vey subject. My father was a trawlerman in the 50\'s and 60\'s, he described it as the hardest job in the world, and now in his 80\'s he still dreams of being at sea on a trawler. I was often on the dock as a child, and have returned several times as an adult to look at the derilict condition that was once so alive. Hull should be proud of its fishing heritage, these men helped feed a nation and make it great. They lived and died in ships, in seas far away from Hull. For good or bad Hull was a fishing town, and the dock would be a wonderfull place for a museum and heritage centre. The old Marr building should be restored, the last side winder trawler languishing in the River Hull brought into the dock, where it belongs, and other vessels too. What about one of the old Humber paddle wheelers, a light ship, and who knows what else. this is a great idea, and it must, not should, happen. I live abroad now, returning each year to my homeland. I am a proud Yorkshireman, born in Beverley, growing up in Brough, Son of a trawlerman. I fully support this.
Speaker
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Docks old buildings are falling into bits they should be demolished and rebuilt!!!!.
Mark
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I think this is a superb project that would bring back to life one of the most interesting areas of Hull\'s heritage. I think the video projects the scheme brilliantly and provides a great insight into how the area could be improved. Considering it’s a virtual creation, the footage captures the old and new perfectly and is very touching. Additionally, as the area forms a main visual entrance way to Hull, it would play a significant part in generating that all important first impression for people coming to the city. Let’s face it, the area is currently an eyesore at the moment, isn\'t it? Although, I\'m always a little dubious without seeing the costs and some understanding of what reliance there would be on the public purse to support the scheme. Anyway, don’t let this hint of negativity take anything away from a fantastic vision of what can be done to this historic part of the city. I’ll have one please!
William Wells
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I am a retired fisherman and think this is an exellent idea, the arctic corsair could be back where it should be,and a good place for the fishermens memorial.
James Henry Jessop
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I am a 65 year old trawlerman from Hull and for the past 10 years I\'ve been cruising the Arctic deep sea fishing grounds with my grandsons around Spitzbergen, Norway,Iceland,Greenland and Newfoundland. In these areas where trawlers have been lost, we pay tribute to the trawlermen who perished. All the Arctic ports have memorials to the hard lives of the trawlermen. It\'s about time Hull had its own memorial along the lines of the St.Andrew\'s Dock theme. This would be for the dock workers, the people and the trawlermen past and present who sacrificed so much for the town\'s fishing heritage. The only problem I foresee is opposition to the remembrance site due to it detracting from other regional tourist sites.
Tina
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I think the plans hcc have are great,ive been tracing my dad and his family who where all from hull.he worked long and hard on the trawlers i think he whould be very inpressed with what is going on now,but we should not forget all those men who never came home.
John Killingbeck
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What you have overlooked is that this dock has become a facinating natural area. We already have a marina and more than one retail park in Hull. How much more original it would be to retain this as a city centre nature reserve (in contrast to the manicured stricture of Queens gardens Queens Gardens) with the surroundings developed in a more vernacular relaxed style as a refuge from the bustle of the city.
Laura
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I have visited some of the heritage docks around the country (Portsmouth and Hartlepool) and this is the sort of visitor attraction that we need in Hull. It could perhaps display the Arctic Corsair and a Humber paddle steamer and would give this special place the countrywide acclaim that it deserves. My Great Grandad used to work on the ships that sailed out of this dock and people like him and the work they did should be remembered and commemorated.
Tony Roberts
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What can i say this plan is outstanding, if the Hull City Council want to improve our city and heritage then this is a fantastic way forward,what it needs is everyone in the City of Hull to start a petition to lobby the powers that be to get their heads out of the sand.
Graham C. Marshall
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Something like this has been needed for a long time. The concept is superb but there are a few hidden dangers in as much that so many changes are made to please everyone that you end up with a tacky theme park and not a living, breathing memorial.
Having a berth set aside for visiting vessels of interest is a good one but I\'m not convinced that \'Moby Dick\' fits in anywhere but a theme park. We\'ll see.
With more than a nod to my first paragraph perhaps the all important railway connection should be incorporated into the design. Rather than just have a brief glimpse of a fish train on a video lay a stretch of track and put an old locomotive and a rake of fish vans on them. The vans could be used to house displays of various aspects of the dock.
How close to becoming a reality is this?
Having a berth set aside for visiting vessels of interest is a good one but I\'m not convinced that \'Moby Dick\' fits in anywhere but a theme park. We\'ll see.
With more than a nod to my first paragraph perhaps the all important railway connection should be incorporated into the design. Rather than just have a brief glimpse of a fish train on a video lay a stretch of track and put an old locomotive and a rake of fish vans on them. The vans could be used to house displays of various aspects of the dock.
How close to becoming a reality is this?
Brian Calvert, Australia
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Hi on surfing the web I found your website and was surprised but pleased to see an old photo of me as a 16 year old the one of me holding a large cod fish it was taken on the Bardia H302 I think 1951 or 52 many thanks for posting it I now live in South Australia and have done since 1971.
Derek, Willerby
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I like the idea of a heritage dock as I have long thought much more should be made of our marina area and waterfront. I have a few ideas which could easily be incorporated around either the Marina or a regenerated St Andrews Heritage Dock and may compliment your proposals. I’d like to see life size bronze statues placed around the dockside with information boards depicting scenes from our fishing heritage, trawler men, bobbers, filleters, women net braiding etc. My inspiration for this comes from the boat quay in Singapore where they have excellent statues telling the story of the colony through the various merchants and tradesmen going about their business. Dublin also uses a similar idea for its famine memorial. The quality of bronze statue needs to be equal to our existing emigrants statue near the new marina office blocks, which is duplicated on the Albert Dock in Liverpool, another model for what we can aspire to in Hull. We can also use my idea for an opportunity to finally replace the inadequate Mick Ronson tribute in Queens Gardens with a new performance stage on the heritage dock. I propose the famous lyric “sailors fighting in the dance hall” from David Bowie’s song Life On Mars which featured Hull’s own Mick Ronson be used for a themed scene next to a new quayside stage. This scene can combine the story of Hessle Roads returning trawlermen, flush with cash, as the hard living weekend millionaires they were with an often overlooked part a Hull lad played in our rock music heritage. The feature stage will allow live music to really bring the old dock back to life in the summer festival season.
June Brown
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What an excellent idea. This is a welcome design for the city. Instead of entering the city and looking at an eyesore, you could be entering the city looking at modern design. While it also been a memorial to all those lost at Sea. For me this deals with 2 major problems that Hull has a city.
Nick, West Hull
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Love the video , excellent ideas with the memorials to all those lost at sea, but like with most historical places situated in hull seem deemed for the history books because HCC only look for profit and that area would be primed for real estate just like the old fruit market area.
MancunianHumbersider, Hedon & Bury
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The number of negative comments on here provides us with precisely the reason why Hull is stagnating compared with Liverpool, Birmingham, Newcastle et al. Those with any nouse who grow up in Hull generally go elsewhere to cities where their ideas are more likely to be embraced rather than ridiculed.
The fact that we have someone here who lives and works locally and who is prepared to put time, money and effort into an idea that is focused on their own city should be applauded. As Mr. Fenton has said, he has been spurred into action by the inaction of others.
What would people prefer, to allow the remaining talent in Hull to be directed away from the city so that Liverpools and the Birminghams of this world are the beneficiaries (again), or would they not rather someone from Hull brought the ideas to the table so that their talents remain in Hull giving the city exactly the platform that is needed to develop and potentially puts the city in a position where it can realistically compete and be compared with these other great UK Cities?
The fact that we have someone here who lives and works locally and who is prepared to put time, money and effort into an idea that is focused on their own city should be applauded. As Mr. Fenton has said, he has been spurred into action by the inaction of others.
What would people prefer, to allow the remaining talent in Hull to be directed away from the city so that Liverpools and the Birminghams of this world are the beneficiaries (again), or would they not rather someone from Hull brought the ideas to the table so that their talents remain in Hull giving the city exactly the platform that is needed to develop and potentially puts the city in a position where it can realistically compete and be compared with these other great UK Cities?
Dean, Hull
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It looks fantastic! Bring it on.
Simon, North Cave
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What Hull clearly needs to do is invest in education, as it is patent that there is a basic problem with literacy! Where in this article does it say that KUHCC has employed Inter Tech as a consultant? The way that I understand it is that Inter Tech have carried out this work at their own expense, for which I think they should be congratulated. Granted, the scheme may well never come to fruition, but the web site is a great broadside at KUHCC, and show what Hull as a city could achieve if they had a council who had some vision, and who stopped wasting money like it was going out of fashion!!!
Robert Medd
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What a fantastic website. If this could become a reality I am sure it would be a great advert for the city as well as a wonderful memorial for our lost trawlermen. Hull city council would be very foolish not to buy this land, at two mllion pounds it\'s a snip. I would like to congratulate all who put this together, it\'s a marvellous piece of work.
B Pearson
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This it the best idea for this site of this old fish dock it will make a good memorial to all the lost fisherman. All it needs is the Arctic Corsair to be put there to make it complete.
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